Originally by: Terianna Eri

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It's actually 300% increase, or 400% of original value.

And no, he's not exaggerating.

Pre-patch: 300 m/s target gets webbed, goes 30m/s (90% reduction)
Post-patch: 300 m/s target gets webbed, goes 120m/s (60% reduction)

Speed while webbed is now 4 times faster than it used to be... 4x faster = 400% of origianl value, or 1x value + 3x value, or 100% + 300%, or 300% increase.

l2math?

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Originally by: Psiri

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I think the idea of nerfing nanos is a healthy one, HOWEVER they should have just crippled the snake implants, polycarbons and faction mods and left the ship stats as they are. That way HAC's would still be able to pick their fights to a large exent but their targets would actually be able to fight back for once.

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Originally by: Gabriel Karade

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Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 29/08/2008 08:59:48

I'm an optimist.

CCP has been reading the constructive 20-page thread and is going to fix the hole in tracking formula. Do that and blaster-boats tracking woes are gone forever.

Then they're going to implement some tweaks to agility/mass to ensure they don't loose too much speed post patch, or are going to boost the damage output to justify the new closing times to target.

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Originally by: Merin Ryskin

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Originally by: Birkinz

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Good Points, but I think the range thing is overdone.

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The range problem is not just "can Gallente hit at range X?", it's "why should I fly Gallente instead of Amarr?". The simple fact is you shouldn't. The damage gap between blasters (and ACs) and pulse lasers is just too small. Compare the ships:

Megathron, trimark/plate + neutrons/CNAM: 1250 dps @ 5km optimal, 13k falloff
Megathron, trimark/plate + neutrons/Null: 1050 dps @ 10km optimal, 16k falloff

Armageddon, pulse/locus, ANMF: 1170 dps @ 20km optimal, 10km falloff
Armageddon, pulse/locus, Scorch: 1000 dps @ 61km optimal, 10km falloff

So for a staggering 80 dps difference, the Megathron gets 25% of the Armageddon's optimal with high damage ammo, and a pathetic 16% with long-range ammo. Tracking doesn't redeem the Megathron, the Amageddon hits just fine at anything over 10km. And it only gets worse once you consider travel time, at anything over point blank range, the Armageddon will be putting damage on target while the Megathron is still trying to get into range. And once it gets there, few targets are going to survive long enough for the Megathron's small damage advantage to catch up.

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Originally by: Omarvelous

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Are you serious? Your whole comparison is total bogus. Who the heck fits locus rigs on a geddon? Youre trying to shoe horn a ship into something it isnt made for just to prove a point you dont have.
If youre going to compare ships, atleast fit them like people fit them and not eft fantasy fits.

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Locus rigs are a waste of time on a blaster ship - but they might give a large tactical advantage on a midrange weapon class like lasers.

Back in the day I'd make the argument that lasers had a tougher time against armor resists - however those days are long gone, and hybrids no longer have any significant advantage over lasers.

Compare top tier BS - Abbaddon vs Hyperion - the disparity only gets worse due to the advantage of a resist bonus vs an active rep bonus.

I can't comment much more, i fly Rokh's so my range issue isn't as bad - however my dps issue still stands!

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Originally by: Merin Ryskin

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Lol. Really, that's all the reply you deserve. If you can't see why locus rigs are so powerful with pulse lasers, you really don't have a clue how PvP works.

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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A weak point that wouldnt be proven without such manipulation.

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So you admit that Amarr BS's are overpowered and need a nerf?

-Liang

Fakeedit: I'd prefer to see a blaster and projectile boost, but tbh, Amarr/Caldari BS's are so far out there ...

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Originally by: Merin Ryskin

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Haha, lets see Merin the noob that doesnt have a clue about flying amarr ships is teaching me how to fit an amarr BS. You are the friggin noob, no one fits locus rigs on a geddon! If you are out for range you will use the apoc + locus rigs and get ALOT more out of the rigs. L2P, mkay ? And stop making stuff up that isnt true.

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Fine, then how about put your amazing Amarr experience to work and tell me exactly what rigs go on an Armageddon? Tank rigs? Yeah right, your tank sucks anyway. Damage rigs? Stacking nerfed and high calibration. Grid/cap rigs? You have plenty of it. I guess maybe you're supposed to fit polycarbons, since everyone knows polycarbons are a win button?

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